Greek Interlude IMPERFECT SOCIETIES

Penguin Classics

Plato: The Republic

PART NINE (BOOK EIGHT) IMPERFECT SOCIETIES

  1. DEMOCRACY

Equality of political opportunity and freedom for the individual to do as he likes are, for Plato and Aristotle, the salient characteristics of democracy. Plato is writing, of course, about democracy in the ancient city-state, and has Athens particularly in mind. (cf. Introduction, p. 22f); but translation into terms of modern experience is not difficult.

‘Our next subject, I suppose, is democracy. When we know how it originates, and what it is like, we can again identify and pass judgement on the corresponding individual.’

‘That would be consistent with the procedure we’ve been following.’

‘Then doesn’t oligarchy change into democracy because of lack of restraint in the pursuit of its objective of getting as rich as possible?’

‘How does that happen?’

‘Because the Rulers, owing their power to wealth as they do, are unwilling to curtail by law the extravagance of the young, and prevent them squandering their money and ruining themselves; for it is by loans to such spendthrifts or by buying up their property that they hope to increase their own wealth and influence.’

‘That’s just what they want.’

‘It should then be clear that love of money and adequate self-discipline in its citizens are two things that can’t co-exist in any society; one or the other must be neglected.’

‘That’s pretty clear.’

‘This failure to curb extravagance in an oligarchy often reduces to poverty men born for better things.’

‘Yes, often.’

‘Some of them are in debt, some are disenfranchised, some both, and they settle down, armed with their strings, and with hatred in their hearts, to plot against those who have deprived them of their property and against the rest of society, and to long for revolution.’

‘Yes, they do.’

‘Meanwhile, the money-makers, bent on their business, don’t appear to notice them, but continue to inject their poisoned loans wherever they can, and to demand their high rates of interest, with the result the drones and beggars multiply.’

‘A result that’s bound to follow.’

‘Yet, even when the evil becomes flagrant they will do nothing to quench it, either by preventing men by disposing of their property as they like, or by other suitable legislation.’

‘What Legislation?’

‘It’s only a second best, but it does compel some respect for decent behavior. If contracts for a loan were, in general, made at the lender’s risk, there would be a good deal less shameless money-making and a good deal less of the evils I have been describing.’

‘Much less.’

‘But as it is the oligarchs oppress their subjects as we have said, while as for themselves and their dependents – their young men live in luxury and idleness, physical and mental, and lose all their energy and and ability to resist pain or pleasure; and they themselves care for nothing but making money, and have no higher moral standards than the poor.’

‘True’.

‘Such being the state of rulers and ruled, what will happen when they come up against each other in the streets or in the course of business, at a festival or on a campaign, serving in the navy or army? When they see each other in moments of danger, the rich man will no longer be able to despise the poor man; the poor man will be lean and sunburnt, and find himself fighting next to some rich man whose sheltered life and superfluous flesh make him puff and blow and quite unable to cope. Won’t he conclude that people like this are rich because their subjects are cowards, and won’t he say to his fellows, when he meets them in private, ”This lot are no good; they’ve had it”?’

‘I’m quite sure he will.’

‘When a person’s unhealthy, it takes very little to upset him and make him ill; there may even be an internal cause for dis-order. The same is true of an unhealthy society. It will fall into sickness and dissension at the slightest external provocation, when one party or the other calls in help from a neighboring oligarchy or democracy; while sometimes faction fights will start without any external stimulus at all.’

‘Very true.’

‘Then democracy originates when the poor win, kill or exile their opponents, and give the rest equal rights and opportunities of office, appointment to office being as a rule by lot.’

‘Yes,’ he agreed, ‘that is how a democracy is established, whether it’s done by force of arms or by frightening its opponents into retreat.’

‘What sort of a society will it be?’ I asked, ‘and how will it be run? The answer, obviously, will show us the character of the democratic man.’

‘Obviously’.

‘Would you agree, first, that people will be free? There is liberty and freedom of speech in plenty, and every individual is free to do as he likes.’

‘That’s what they say.’

‘That being so, won’t everyone arrange his life as pleases him best?’

‘Obviously.’

‘And so there will be the greatest variety of individual character?’

‘There’s bound to be’

‘I dare say that a democracy is the most attractive of all societies’, I said, ‘The diversity of its characters, like the different colors in a patterned dress,make it look very attractive. Indeed,’ I added, ‘perhaps most people would, for this reason, judge it to be the best form of society, like women and children who judge by appearances.’

‘Very likely.’

‘And, you know, it’s just the place to go constitution-hunting. It contains every possible type, because of the wide freedom it allows, and anyone engaged in founding a state, as we are doing, should perhaps be made to pay a visit to a democracy and make his choice from the variety of models it displays, before he proceeds to make his own foundation.’

‘It’s a shop in which he’d find plenty of models on show.’

‘Then in democracy,’ I went on, ‘there’s no compulsion either to exercise authority if you are capable of it, or to submit to authority if you don’t want to; you needn’t fight if there’s a war, or you can wage a private war in peacetime if you don’t like peace; and if there’s any law that debars you from political or judicial office, you will none the less take either if they come your way. It’s a wonderfully pleasant way of carrying on in the short run, isn’t it?’

‘In the short run, perhaps’

‘And isn’t there something rather charming about the good temper of those who’ve been sentenced in court? You must have noticed that in a democracy men sentenced to death or exile continue, none the less, to go about among their fellows, who take no more notice of them than if they were invisible spirits.’

‘I’ve often seen that.’

‘Then they’re very considerate in applying the high principles we laid down when founding our state; so far from interpreting them strictly, they really look down on them. We said that no one who had not exceptional gifts could grow into a good man unless he were brought up from childhood in a good environment and given a good training; democracy with a grandiose gesture sweeps all this away and doesn’t mind what the habits and background of its politicians are, provided they profess themselves the people’s friends.’

‘All very splendid.’

‘These, then, and similar characteristics are those of democracy. It’s an agreeable, anarchic form of society, with plenty of variety, which treats all men as equal, whether they are equal or not.’

‘The picture is easy to recognize.’

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Ben Franklins quote is something to think about this Thanksgiving…

A Republic, madam, if you can keep it.

Apparently, we failed.

Since  Plato’s model of  democracy captured it’s workings so well more than 2300 years ago I thought the character of a democrat would be a fitting accompaniment to it. His description of their wants and needs so  exquisitely captures the reasons for their behavioral decisions it deserves to be mentioned twice.

And as Plato points out, they’re proud of that.

Versatile but lacking in principle

Part 7 THE DEMOCRATIC CHARACTER.

Versatile but lacking in principle

 

‘Then let us look at the democratic individual. And first we should look at his origin, as we did with the society. It is this. Our mean oligarchic character may have a son, whom he will bring up in his own ways.’

‘So far, so good.’

‘He will forcibly restrain himself from those pleasures that lead to expense rather than profit, the “unnecessary” pleasures as they have been called.”

‘Yes, obviously.’

‘Then do you think that, if we are to avoid arguing in the dark, we had better define the differences between necessary and unnecessary desires?’

‘Yes, I think so.’

‘Desires we can’t afford, or whose satisfaction benefits us, can fairly be called necessary, I think. We are bound by our very nature to want to satisfy both, and so may surely with justice use the term “necessary” to describe them.’

‘Yes.’

‘But we can describe as unnecessary all desires which can be got rid of with practice, if we start young, and whose presence either does us no good or positive harm. Isn’t that fair enough?’

‘Fair enough.’

‘Shall we give examples of each, to get a general idea of what we mean?’

‘I think we should’

‘Would you say that the desire to eat enough for health and strength, and the desire for the plain food requisite for the purpose, was necessary?’

‘Yes, I think so.’

‘And of this plain food some is necessary for mere survival as well as for good health, some for good health only.’

‘Certainly’

‘But the desire for a more varied and luxurious diet is one which, with discipline training from an early age, can normally be got rid of, and which is physically harmful and damaging to the intelligence and self-control. May it not therefore rightly be called unnecessary?’

‘Undoubtedly’

‘The first kind of desire we could also call economical, because of its practical usefulness, the second kind wasteful.’

‘True.’

‘And does not the same hold good of sex and the other desires?’

‘Yes.’

‘Then what we called the drone type must be swayed by a mass of unnecessary pleasures and desires, the mean oligarchic type by necessary ones.’

‘Yes.’

‘Let’s go back to the question how the democratic man originates from the oligarchic. This generally happens when a young man, brought up in the narrow economical way we have described, gets a taste of the drones’ honey and gets into wild and dangerous company, where he can be provided with every variety and refinement of pleasure, with the result that his internal oligarchy starts turning into a democracy.’

‘That’s bound to happen.’

‘In society the change took place when one party brought in sympathizers from outside to help it. Will the change in our young men be brought about when one or other type of desire in him gets assistance from similar passions outside him?’

‘Yes, certainly.’

‘Thus, if the oligarchic element in him gets support and assistance from the remonstrances and criticisms of his father and other members of his family, the result is a conflict of factions and a self divided against itself. And sometimes the democratic element gives way to the oligarchic, and some of his desires are destroyed and some driven out; and a certain sense of decency is produced in the young man’s mind and internal order restored.’

‘Sometimes’

‘Alternatively the exiled desires are succeeded by others like them, produced by his father’s ignorance of how to bring him up properly; and these grow in number and strength, lead him back to his old associates, and breed and multiply in secret.’

‘That often happens.’

‘In the end they capture the seat of government, having discovered that the young man’s mind is devoid of knowledge, principle and truth, the most effective safeguards the mind of man can be blessed with.’

‘Far the most effective’

‘The vacant place is filled instead by an invasion of pretentious fallacies, and back he goes to live with the Lotus-eaters. If his family send help to the economical element in him, the pretentious invaders shut the gates of the citadel, and will not admit it; nor will they listen to the individual representations of old and trusted friends. They make themselves masters by force, they call shame silliness and drive it into disgrace and exile; they call self-control cowardice and expel it with abuse; and they call on a lot of useless desires to help them banish economy and moderation, which they regard as provincial parsimony.’

‘All very true.’

‘They expel the lot and leave the soul of their victim swept and garnished, ready for the great initiation which follows, when they lead in a triumphal torchlight procession of insolence, licence, extravagance, and shamelessness. They praise them all extravagantly and call insolence good breeding, licence liberty, extravagance generosity, and shamelessness courage. Do you agree that that’s how a young man brought up in the necessary desires comes to throw off all inhibitions and indulge desires that are unnecessary and useless?’

‘A very clear description.’

‘For the rest of his life he spends as much money, time and trouble on the unnecessary desires as on the necessary. If he’s lucky and doesn’t get carried to extremes, the tumult will subside as he gets older, some of the exiles will return, and the invaders won’t have it all their own way. He’ll establish a kind of equality of pleasures, and will give the pleasure of the moment complete control till it is satisfied, and then move on to another, so that all have their fair share and none is underprivileged.’

‘That’s true.’

‘If anyone tells him that some pleasures, because they spring from good desires, are to be encouraged and approved, and others, springing from evil desires, to be disciplined and controlled, he won’t listen or open his doors to the truth, but shakes his head and says all pleasures are equal and should have equal rights.’

‘Yes that’s just what he does.’

‘In fact, I said, ‘he lives for the pleasure of the moment. One day it’s wine, women, and song, the next bread and water; one day it’s hard physical training, the next indolence and ease, and then a period of philosophic study. Next he takes to politics and is always on his feet saying or doing whatever comes into his head. Sometimes all his ambitions are military, sometimes they are all directed to success in business. There’s no order or restraint in his life, and he reckons his way of living is pleasant, free and happy.’

‘A very good description of one who believes in liberty and equality,’ he commented.

‘Yes,’ I said, ‘and I think that the versatility of the individual, and the attractiveness of his combination of diverse characteristics, match the variety of the democratic society. It’s a life which many men and women would envy, it has so many possibilities.’

‘it has indeed.’

‘This, then, is the individual corresponding to the democratic society, and we can fairly call him the democratic man.’

“Agreed.’

 

Read It Now Believe It Later

As Halloween seasoned stories go, chances are you’ll never see this one in a theater or on video.

It all started about five thousand years ago during what might be considered the dawn of civilization. The location is generally referred to as Mesopotamia and the Sumerians were running the show at the time.

https://mysteriesrunsolved.com/2020/09/the-sumerian-planisphere-star-map.html

As the end of the 3rd Millennium approached, the Sumerian Third Dynasty of Ur was disintegrating under the weight of the nomadic invaders moving into the villages and urban centers of what many people these days think of as the first civilization.

https://www.worldhistory.org/Sumerians/

For all their intellectual achievements, Sumerians apparently failed to consider that by creating welcoming cities those cities would eventually be turned into slums. Or maybe that naturally occurring factor was known and considered a given in their equation.

Maybe the Sumerians came from planet Jokesondem to influence the fertile crescents inhabitants’ cultural development and upgrade their DNA; the inhabitants DNA to be clear.

Maybe their visit was not intended to be permanent but in reality was an intended two thousand earth years long Jokesondemian’s missionary version of one and done; a slo mo wham, bam, thank you ma’am, we’re outta here multi-generational squared kind of visit and not the imaginative explanation from Twentieth century eggheads about Sumerian assimilation with the native Akkadians, Amorites, Hurrians and Hittites being responsible for the end of the Sumerian influence and their disappearance from earth.

The deeply cynical Hollywood type might even claim it generated a bet; the winner to be determined on a return visit.

In any event, the Sumerian exit was still more than a thousand years before the Hebrewery opened for business east of Eden. That’s right, the end of the Bronze Age (which perhaps explains third place medals being bronze). Here’s a Semitic hat tip to their Greek https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/why-did-the-jews-move-around-so-much-636069 adventure.

We aren’t even close to the strange part of the story and all I’ve offered is a bunch of maybes and perhaps; well, at least they’re harmless conjecture with a basis of historical fact and you’re not falling down dead from my maybes’ and perhaps’.

Time marched on and Egypt followed the Sumerian’s into recognized existence by approximately 500 years and 1200 miles and brought Ma’at with them.

While most internet explanations of Ma’at identify it only as a goddess or as a concept representing positive values necessary to maintain Life’s balance, the explanation Iraj Bashiri offers in his manuscript “The Impact of Egypt on Ancient Iran” gets beyond the usual wearisome focus of peace, love and sisterhood.

Dr. Bashiri explains that while Ma’at does lay out the Divine Right to rule it makes clear the duties that accompany that right. It also explains how prosperity awaits for all as long as the connection to Ma’at is maintained; it serves as the basis of life in this world and a guarantor of resurrection in the next for all. If you’re not familiar with “The Impact of Egypt on Ancient Iran”, it’s worth the effort to find and download the thirty page read.

Ma’at was the juice that powered their purpose and the purpose that powered their juice. It’s a timeless model for the ruling class, whichever one is at the helm, an Egyptian perpetual control machine with a void built in as the when fact meets friction  clutch to depress when Chainge is about to be called for from the helm.

About halfway through Basheri’s account he included the Egyptian Creation story and the Iranian Creation story both referencing the void and the chaos associated with it, providing some substance to the illusion that all things come to he who waits; meaning, the puzzlement I expressed in Hocus Pocus regarding the room in the basement of the U.N. put there as a place for people to contemplate the void https://www.un.org/depts/dhl/dag/meditationroom.htm and this Dag Hammarskjold quote hanging on the meditation room’s wall regarding it …”There is an ancient saying that the sense of a vessel is not in its shell but in the void. So it is with this room. It is for those who come here to fill the void with what they find in their center of stillness.” is being addressed.

I’ve always considered Dag’s outlook a bit too brazen in its suggestion, what with how the UN is always ready to add to Life’s chaos, but since Dr. Bashiri’s explanation of the Egyptian’s comprehensive grasp of the duality of existence is so refined, the forceful manner of the recent reset and everything connected to it is becoming explainable now and an outline is forming to define and clarify the actions taken by the global elite in the past and can be presented to show the purposeful and intended outcome currently emerging is not to anyone’s advantage but the elite’s.

The reason any resistance to the globalist actions fail, at least how I see it, is because the elite keep themselves separate and apart from the rest of us and use the political parties as their firewall. We must all have recognized that institutionalized failing at some level by now and pretend it doesn’t matter even as we turn away from our Rights.

Proving that we, too, use the politicians; not as a firewall but as our excuse.

Our half assed resistance to this longtime roll-out of designed capitulation completely ignores the reality that our Constitutional based freedom has been turned over for others to control and reduce as they deem necessary.

Here is the much bigger point, Planet Earth is a Good vs Evil arena and everybody is a player. So when any person who believes (s)he is a good person on the Good team but follows the rules the Evil team put in place that favors the Evil team’s game plan and good people go along because good people always play by the rules, its a built in game, set, match for the evil team every time. Even if it means they have to delay our nation’s business they hammer away until they find or engineer a way to exploit the rules they have rebalanced.

For successful, that is, lifetime political office holders, compromise is accepted as a part of the game of Good vs Evil that likely takes place in that void mentioned above. But what few people understand (other than pre-WWII Japanese, modern high level politicians and most democrats innately) is compromise results in a measurable loss or diminishment of a position; and while normal people may believe a diminished point could be regained in the future that is rarely so; anyone who has paid attention knows the Left, (and I will no longer use that term, the Left, when I now recognize that those more responsible for the chaos we are subject to consider themselves Progressives) the Progressives understands the power gained by diminishing every position of their opponent is never lost and that diminishment is to continue until there is nothing further to impair or if settling for damaging an issue that attack can be a renewed at their convenience perhaps to cover an UNrelated failing on their part.

Incessant attacks on every point of the Constitution are a long time example of that strategy. Never accepting an election loss, even claiming victory and fighting over it for weeks when their loss is obvious to the world is another example.

There are no time outs in this game’s final quarter and what with so many among us expecting next year’s calendar theme to be ‘End Times’ while the https://www.cfr.org/global-conflict-tracker globalist elite appear to be looking forward to, even if they are incapable of fulfilling that expectation, exaggerated consequences from any one of the global conflict hotspots they already created can be triggered by that whimsical leftist precept the elite built fortunes on, ‘never let an opportunity go to waste’.

But what if it’s a hijacked false flagged ‘End Times’ scenario designed to fool most of the people one more time that’s being bandied about by the internet worry warts? A scenario intended to energize the push the darker side is going to need to ‘git ‘er done’ after spending a few millennia arranging and fixing the game; and git what done exactly?

What then, or who, is twisting the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garrote garrote and how has it or they maintained their solid base history claims was developed more than two millennia ago?

And what genius was/is behind the subtle manipulations birthed by the Humanist philosophy that led to three of them being used to advance, in covert fashion, the end of long targeted portion of humanity? Let’s look at the Humanists and their three pigs: magic, medicine and science.

Updating is active.

 

 

Five Signs

Five signs of dementia from a health care provider’s email fwd  lists these five warning signs of dementia…

Personality shifts, clumsiness, confusion and inability to recognize sarcasm

I have my own interpretation of dementia clues…

  1. Believing shifty politicians,
  2. Not recognizing clumsy  government edicts and actions as UN-constitutional,
  3. Inability to clearly understand your status as a lab rat if you participate in UNscientifically proven pharmaceutical products and
  4. Thinking I was being sarcastic when I wrote this.

Just so’se you understand my dysfunctional abilities are still entry level…  number five was ‘all of the  above’.